April 08, 2004
You go girl!!!!
Rice holds tuff!!!
CNN is now reporting that attempts are now underway to declassify the White House memo in question. National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack said that there is cooperation between the 911 commission and the White House to find out how to make the document available to the public without compromising intelligence or security issues.
There was 69 documents in the Clinton era that the Bush White House had withheld from investigators which include references to al qaida, Osama Bin Laden, and other issues relelvant to the panel's work. Twelve of the documents were turned over to the commission by the White House on Wednesday, officials said...but 57 others, were not specifically but, (are not relevant to their work).
Posted by: SuzyQ92 at April 8, 2004 08:37 PMOk, who is your source on this?? You obviously know more than the bi-partisan commision on this so I am very interested to hear the source and document this....it would mean a great deal to me since I am a newborn on the blog circuit.
I dont hear much about the fact that Clinton sent HIS missiles over to the Al Quaeda training camp on the same day of HIS Monica Lewinsky testimony even though the intelligence suggested that Ossama Been Bombin' wasn't going to be at that specific location until the NEXT day. Seems to me that is good and clear info that the Clinton administration was using the attack to defer attention from his internship scandal or cigar scandal or whatever you want to call it...
FACT IS:
You CANNOT blame Clinton for 9:11
You CANNOT blame George W Bush for 9:11
...both partisanships of government were aware of this terrorist organization prior to the 9:11 attacks.....but TERRORISM wasnt a priority among the American people.
TERRORISM was something that happened across the Atlantic ocean, something that we read about...
...sure there had been terroristic attempts on the World Trade Center but our magnificent CIA, FBI, and domestic security services handled it with minimal incidence.
...sure...we, the American people, were outraged by the attack on the USS Cole...but the fact of the matter was, the people who did it were dead, ...were they not?? We were outraged...but the American public was not storming the streets of Washington D.C. demanding an immediate and precise retribution. They, .....WE......were not.
But I am supposed to sit and believe that GWB knowingly turned a blind eye to the fact that he could have possibly known that a terrorist attack was imminent inside the domestic United States of America??
He either knew and did nothing about it or....
He didnt know even though the intelligence was there???
....and IF the intelligence WAS there, why did Clinton wait for another administration to have to deal with it??
You are falling into the trap of partisan politics, plain and simple.
FACT IS: Neither Clinton nor George W Bush is to blame for 9:11, Al Quaeda is.
FACT IS: HAD America had the prophetic intelligence to know beforehand that the Afghanistanian Taliban would be capable and would knowingly spread such destruction across America....WOULD THE AMERICAN PUBLIC HAVE STOMACHED A UNILATERAL INVASION OF THIS COUNTRY BASED ONLY ON INTELLIGENCE PRIOR TO 9:11??
The answer is NO:...The American public would have thought that they had a paranoid president at their helm and would have elected a passivist into the Oval Office when given their first chance.
I am not trying to justify the invasion of Iraq. I am merely saying that you CANNOT blame President Clinton or President GW Bush for 9:11....and if you fall into that trap then you are a sucker for partisan politics, one side or the other, and need to make an attempt to free your mind up and make your own thoughts and judgements based on the facts, not by what you hear.
I am not blaming the Bush or Clinton administration but the fact is there were 69 documents withheld from investigators which include references to Al Qaida, Osama Bin Laden that were relevant, yes, to the panels work. Why were they put under the cover?
Posted by: SuzyQ92 at April 8, 2004 10:34 PMI was a bit harsh in my response to you, sorry about that. I just think it is ludicrous to look at all of the finger pointing going on in this country right now. I didnt like it when it was happening to Clinton and I am equally disgusted by what is going on today. ___________________________________________
Posted by: jadarm at April 8, 2004 10:43 PMHere is a rather informative article concerning the Clinton documents if anybody is interested.
While we are delving into cover up, conspiracy and censorship have any of you guys ever seen these?
Posted by: boortzlistener at April 9, 2004 09:54 AMI am hoping that you were half joking about the Pentagon link. Some guy gets paranoid because he thinks there should have been more damage??
He is paranoid about them pouring sand on the lawn?? There is no way that they are building a small road over the lawn so that they can move trucks and heavy equipment in and out of the construction area so they can take out debris and bring in new materials.....nope, its all a cover up.
Nevermind that they would have been driving through mud pits otherwise and would have eventually made the lawn impassable....nope, its a cover up.
Nevermind that it was confirmed that 3 other planes were hijacked that day, ....nope, this is a cover up.
Funny stuff.
Posted by: jadarm at April 9, 2004 10:46 AMI am hoping that you were half joking about the Pentagon link.
You are almost correct. I was not half joking I was whole joking.
make an attempt to free your mind up and make your own thoughts and judgements based on the facts, not by what you hear.
Much easier said than done. "Facts" are sometimes as elusive as "Truth". Sources can be sited but sources are almost always agenda driven.
I believe that you could have given government agencies the actual blueprint of what was going to happen on 9/11 and the attacks would have still occurred. Not because of a conspiracy but because of the natural bureaucratic incompetence of government.
Do I think the administration had this blueprint and did nothing about it? No.
Do I think that Rumsfeld and Cheney tap danced together after the attacks because they had the Pearl Harbor they needed to invade Iraq? Absolutely.
Have some fun at this site while your out trying to determine fact from fiction.
"Do I think that Rumsfeld and Cheney tap danced together after the attacks because they had the Pearl Harbor they needed to invade Iraq? "
It was probably more of a barn dance. Karl Rove called time, Dick Cheney played the fiddle, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz led the promenade, and Junior and Condi did a first rate docey do.
Posted by: smijer at April 11, 2004 11:58 AMThat was a cheap comment, especially coming from you.
Posted by: jadarm at April 11, 2004 07:29 PMI started to call it a buck dance but I was not sure how many of your visitors are southern born and southern bred. I was afraid many may not have known what a buck dance was. It sounds like you are very familiar with the buck dance.
Posted by: boortzlistener at April 12, 2004 03:05 PMI'm a life-long southerner.
Posted by: smijer at April 12, 2004 07:56 PMIt's nice to know that you are a long time southerner....it's also GOOD to know that you would embellish in condemning GWB for his inclusion of videotography of 9:11 victims in his campaign adds but, at the same time, you both (and I mean SMIJER and BOORTZLISTENER) would throw about the insinuation that our president and/or administration was dancing after 9:11.....wherein lies the difference friend??
Posted by: jadarm at April 13, 2004 09:38 PMI don't think I have ever condemned George the Younger for using 9/11 as the cornerstone of his re-election campaign. I have always been amazed that he is able to. When you can take the most glaring example of your administrations incompetence and use it as a call for four more years it makes me feel like I am living in some kind of Bizarro World but if it works for his constituency then by all means do it.
at the same time, you both (and I mean SMIJER and BOORTZLISTENER) would throw about the insinuation that our president and/or administration was dancing after 9:11.....wherein lies the difference friend??I am not sure that I understand what you are saying here but I still stand firmly behind my statement. I assure you Cheney and Rumsfeld could barely believe their ears when they heard that a New Pearl Harbor had been offered up to them on a silver platter. We would have invaded and occupied Iraq without 9/11 but 9/11 sure made things much smoother and what is 3,000 dead people when your aim is to recreate the world by peddling democracy and procurring raw materials at the barrel of a gun?