June 24, 2004
The principal said she didn't vote for Bush. "But that day I would have voted for him".
Spiderman was one of the most amazing box office smashes of all time...but advertise that Michael Moore produced and directed it and what do you get?...Nada.
Yet, put together a movie that 99% of the American populus knows has been created and edited in a dubious if not totally unethical manner that makes no bones about destroying a war time administration....and it is going to make money.
Is Mr. Moore trying to change popular opinion or is he merely morbidly capitalizing on a nation's expected uneasiness about a current war...at the expense of everyone else who is TRULY involved??
Is Mr Moore being asked to risk his life in support or in debate of our current administration's foreign policy??
No
Is Mr Moore taking a risk to his financial livelyhood or physical well-being to attack or defend one political side or the other of his nation in a time of war??
No
Is he taking advantage of the situation?? Pouring fuel on the fire?? Generating controversy to the masses, and giggling behind the scenes, in an effort to generate free promotion of his latest Mock-umentary??
Mr Moore will be giggling all the way to the bank. A man like this only encourages the enemy and I thank the powers that be that a man of low moral caliber such as him were not privy to major media outlets during WWII...
It seems he is a prime example of capitalism winning out over honor, ...honor, ...a trait I will admit that is sorely lacking in our country today.
...well, maybe you might want to hear just what the folks around him that day had to say.
Are you gonna see the movie?
I'm driving 80 miles tomorrow night just to see it.
Watching Bush read "My Pet Goat" while New York City burns will be worth the price of admission.
Posted by: boortzlistener at June 25, 2004 08:46 AMIf I see the movie it will only be because I purchased a pirated copy....only time I have ever said that in my life. This man will not receive a dime from me.
Posted by: jadarm at June 25, 2004 11:26 AMAwww c'mon Man!
How can we rationally discuss something if we have not both seen it?
Remember. Everytime you purchase a gallon of gas you are funding terrorism. What's a man to do?
Grab a date and go to the movies. Hell. It's good for the economy.
Posted by: boortzlistener at June 25, 2004 03:15 PMhe is right. well, if the gas/fuel/oil/ ect. is coming from Suadi Araibia (however you spell it) and we are currently at war with them then boortzlistener is right. There is nothing he CAN do, considering that is our only source.
Posted by: neodave at June 25, 2004 03:45 PMyeah yeah yeah....I am a big time movie buff and I am sure I will see it.
Posted by: jadarm at June 25, 2004 04:02 PMyeah yeah yeah....I am a big time movie buff and I am sure I will see it.Now that's the spirit. Once you see it you can tell me what you don't like about it. I heard one guy call it a "crockumentary" but he did not go into detail about which portions he considered false. I want details.
And in all fairness fellers, the top four suppliers of oil to the United States in 2003 were Canada, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, and Venezuela (in that order). So technically there is a chance that the gas you purchase did not come from the Middle East but who knows? Maybe it did.
Remember, the war in Iraq has more to do with who will supply oil to China and Russia than who will supply oil to the United States.
But we can spit on one another about that later.
Posted by: boortzlistener at June 26, 2004 12:04 AMHey dude, what conspiracy sites are you onto now?? hehehe
Posted by: Admin at June 26, 2004 07:19 PMyours! "hehehehe!"
Posted by: neodave at June 27, 2004 08:13 PMOil is no conspiracy theory my friends. It is the gold standard of the day. Remember the Golden Rule. The man with the gold, rules. And Iraq is sitting atop the second largest deposits of oil and natural gas on the PLANET. China has a booming economy that is in its very early stages. China does a huge chunk of the worlds manufacturing. They are going to need oil and they are going to need lots of it.
If the war was not about oil what do you think it was about?
Posted by: boortzlistener at June 27, 2004 11:48 PMNo, I am sure that oil was a huge part of it, the US historically hasnt really gotten involved militarily or monetarily unless it would benefit us in one way or the other.
There are some that think, once Iraq modernizes their oil production capabilities, that they will find that Iraq has the largest oil reserves in the world.
My question is, how does the Iraqi sale of oil to Russia and China affect the US once we remove our military in the next 2 years?? How do you relate that to our invasion?
Posted by: jadarm at June 28, 2004 02:00 PMI am glad to see that you recognize the fact that the war is driven by the hope of economic gain and not by our moral superiority. Sure it will be great if women can remove their burka's and get a public education but no government spends over one billion dollars per week to insure that will happen. We don't give a tinkers damn about the Iraqi people. If we did we would never have agreed to sanctions which only lead to the starvation of the general population.
In my opinion the assumption that any President is looking after the best interest of his country and his constituents is naive. He looks after the best interest of his political donors. The Bush administration is lousy with former oil executives. The entire administration is built around and beholden to the oil industry.
The question is not how will the United States benefit. The question is how will Unocal and the global oil companies benefit. Being global, they have no particular allegiance to the United States.
Hell man. Only guys on my and your level of the totem pole still get suckered into the allegiance business.
And we are not coming out of Iraq. We are building bases there. Statistically I have 40 years left on this planet. There will be American soldiers in Iraq long after they throw dirt on my bag of bones.
Posted by: boortzlistener at June 28, 2004 05:04 PMI don’t really consider myself to be a full fledged Republican, matter of fact, I disagreed with our invasion of Iraq...but once we went in the debate was over.
My problem, and what people see as my allegiance to Dubyah, is not really the way I perceive it. My problem is with the media and how they have been tearing down this administration from the very moment we went in. I hate it. Not for our president but for our men and women overseas. This negative media blitz has been over the top and has set a bad precedent for future combat operations. There will always be nay sayers, even in the most ludicrous of circumstances, but the media chooses the most sensationalized news to show....and there are numerous instances of many of them being completely fabricated...Take Michael Moore’s new movie...I thought that a "documentary" was supposed to be true to fact. This is a clear cut partisan attack on our current war time administration during an election year....now, since you are a dem I am sure it's all good with you right now....but what happens when the next time a dem runs for the Oval Office and some Republican twit does something similar like this??
The dumbing down of America.
I was listening to the radio the other day and the man was telling of a conversation he had with a successful comedian who had been on the circuit for many years. He said the comedian was frustrated and didn’t enjoy his job anymore. He said that he could tell good jokes 20 years ago that people would enjoy....but those same jokes don’t work now....he said, in order for them to work today, people have to know that Charles De Gaule was French; people have to know that Argentina is in South America...you get the point.
Our media is polarized now more than at any other time in our history and that in turn is polarizing our population. If you are a republican you watch Fox and listen to Rush or Hannity, if you are at Democrat then you watch CNN, and listen to NPR. Very few watch or listed to media that conflicts with their current views.
I have gone on and on but there is a point I am making here, Newsweek cited a Pew poll that said that the majority of news anchors and TV reporters are Liberal, even though the public at large is mostly Republican...so, what a liberal reporter or anchor decides is newsworthy to him or her may differ from what is actually happening in the world.
Our Country can’t separate fact from fiction.....and they don’t care.
--Oil was definitely an issue to this administration, but mostly because our country as a whole, that includes you and me on the bottom of this totem pole, are totally dependant on it.
Posted by: jadarm at June 29, 2004 01:00 PMMy problem is with the media and how they have been tearing down this administration from the very moment we went in. I hate it.Keep in mind that the media exists for one reason and one reason only. That is to sell advertisement. The more people that buy your newspaper or watch your program the higher your fees for advertising. Media is a business like any other.
I thought that a "documentary" was supposed to be true to fact.That is the dictionary definition but do not forget all of the "documentaries" that were put out to "expose" Bill Clinton. Some of them could be considered one-sided. Would you not agree?
Also, keep in mind that as long as you and I live America will be "at war". The war on terrorism is the same as the war on poverty, the war on drugs and the war on illiteracy. They are all perpetual. You can never "win" any of them. When Hillary takes the oath of office you will be forced to give her a mighty wide berth if you are going to remain consistent with your philosophy.
now, since you are a dem I am sure it's all good with you right now
I always get a chuckle out of this comment. I get it alot. The only time I am accused of being a Republican is when a Democrat is in office. I am proudly neither of the above and to be perfectly frank with you I can barely tell the difference between the two.
I have gone on and on but there is a point I am making here, Newsweek cited a Pew poll that said that the majority of news anchors and TV reporters are Liberal, even though the public at large is mostly Republican
How do you square this statement with the fact that more people voted for Gore than voted for Bush in the last election?
Oil was definitely an issue to this administration, but mostly because our country as a whole, that includes you and me on the bottom of this totem pole, are totally dependant on it.
I am more dependent on food but I rarely take my GLOCK down to the grocery store with me ;-)
My problem is with the media and how they have been tearing down this administration from the very moment we went in. I hate it.
Keep in mind that the media exists for one reason and one reason only. That is to sell advertisement. The more people that buy your newspaper or watch your program the higher your fees for advertising. Media is a business like any other.
----Man, that is my whole ever-loving point! You HAVE to search out both sides of every damned thing you hear or read these days....but the majority of the American people are too lazy to do it. Sensationalism sells!! Instead of reading the papers or watching your News Channel of choice, ...why not just do what you REALLY want to do and buy the damned Enquirer???----
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I thought that a "documentary" was supposed to be true to fact.
That is the dictionary definition but do not forget all of the "documentaries" that were put out to "expose" Bill Clinton. Some of them could be considered one-sided. Would you not agree?
----Agreed; There were many BAD precedents set during his term of office, personal partisan attacks...I love the man.
...he did not have to lead his country through 9/11 though.....----
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Also, keep in mind that as long as you and I live America will be "at war". The war on terrorism is the same as the war on poverty, the war on drugs and the war on illiteracy. They are all perpetual. You can never "win" any of them. When Hillary takes the oath of office you will be forced to give her a mighty wide berth if you are going to remain consistent with your philosophy.
----...so we give up?? Is that your point?? I see.
...and btw, I wouldnt mind having the Mrs's as president...----
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now, since you are a dem I am sure it's all good with you right now
I always get a chuckle out of this comment. I get it alot. The only time I am accused of being a Republican is when a Democrat is in office. I am proudly neither of the above and to be perfectly frank with you I can barely tell the difference between the two.
----...the only similarty between the two is the lack of honor within them as a whole.----
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I have gone on and on but there is a point I am making here, Newsweek cited a Pew poll that said that the majority of news anchors and TV reporters are Liberal, even though the public at large is mostly Republican
How do you square this statement with the fact that more people voted for Gore than voted for Bush in the last election?
----Do I need to square it?? Just because a Democrat gains office ...does that mean there are more liberals?? How do you square YOUR statement??----
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Oil was definitely an issue to this administration, but mostly because our country as a whole, that includes you and me on the bottom of this totem pole, are totally dependant on it.
I am more dependent on food but I rarely take my GLOCK down to the grocery store with me ;-)
----...Umm, not really sure what to say to that...except, ...good, ...on behalf of all grocery stores nationwide, I thank you!
Wonder what your food supply would look like if you cut out gas and oil in your life altogether?? Are you blessed enough to live within walking distance from your place of employment?? Are you within walking distance from the supermarket?? If your child gets ill can you walk him or ride him on your 10-speed to the doctor's office in time?? If so you are truly blessed.----
You HAVE to search out both sides of every damned thing you hear or read these daysIf we were only so lucky as to have only two sides to every issue. Searching out and identifying all of the nuances is hard work and is best done with your pistol left in your holster
he did not have to lead his country through 9/11 thoughIt would have been interesting to see how he would have done it. It is my opinion that a worse job than George Bush has done would be hard to pull off.
so we give up?? Is that your point??Terrorism was not born on 9/11. It has always been the tactic of choice for those who lack the military strength to take on a state sponsored enemy. The best way to fight terrorism is to get to the root of the problem. It is true that they hate us. It is not true that they hate us because we are free. And in spite of the public hysteria you will hear from the right when these words are mentioned, terrorism is a law enforcement issue. It is pointless to fight the Mafia by bombing Palermo.
even though the public at large is mostly RepublicanBy questioning this assumption I did not mean to imply that it was false. In my opinion it just does not add up. If a majority of Americans are Republican why in the last election did the majority of voting Americans vote Democratic?
I am more dependent on food but I rarely take my GLOCK down to the grocery store with me ;-)The point I was trying to make here was that oil is a commodity. It is bought and sold on the open market. It does not have to be taken at the barrel of a gun. Most of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico and Venezuala. Military actions against Iraq were absolutely unnecessary. Of course, this is only my view. Posted by: boortzlistener at June 30, 2004 09:19 AM
It would have been interesting to see how he would have done it. It is my opinion that a worse job than George Bush has done would be hard to pull off.
--and you are entitled to your opinion.
Terrorism was not born on 9/11. It has always been the tactic of choice for those who lack the military strength to take on a state sponsored enemy. The best way to fight terrorism is to get to the root of the problem. It is true that they hate us. It is not true that they hate us because we are free. And in spite of the public hysteria you will hear from the right when these words are mentioned, terrorism is a law enforcement issue. It is pointless to fight the Mafia by bombing Palermo.
--The best I can understand your statement is that we should serve warrants to suspected terrorists. Lets see, ....say Afghanistan is supporting and giving aid to terrorists we would just march right into the capital and serve the Taliban with warrants. Sounds like a plan to me.
Actually, it is an intelligence problem. If they are in the neighborhood and you know where they are at then fine, serve them warrants. But, if they are in a foreign country and that country is giving the shelter and aid, well sir, that now becomes a military theater of operations.
By questioning this assumption I did not mean to imply that it was false. In my opinion it just does not add up. If a majority of Americans are Republican why in the last election did the majority of voting Americans vote Democratic?
--For the same reason that Al Gore's home state did not vote for him...this is a democracy and partisan votes are not required from ANYONE. Just ask Zell Miller.
The point I was trying to make here was that oil is a commodity. It is bought and sold on the open market. It does not have to be taken at the barrel of a gun. Most of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico and Venezuala. Military actions against Iraq were absolutely unnecessary. Of course, this is only my view.
--But you said it yourself, Oil is the Gold Standard of the day. So, take the 2nd largest oil reserve and put it in the hands of a man who has used chemical WMD's against his own people, a man who has willfully given $25,000.00 to the survivors of any Hamas terrorist that kills himself during the action of killing innocent Israelis (all while under economic sanctions), and who has willfully vioalted 17 different United Nations resulutions which followed the Gulf Invasion, and who is now known to have willfully colluded with the same U.N. in the Oil for Food scandal which is now reaching into the upper echelons of the U.N. and many other prominent European countries.....even you can see the problem here.
Posted by: jadarm at July 16, 2004 01:34 PM